Magnus Carlsen’s top secret London System move order recipe … ( )

Magnus Carlsen’s top secret London System move order recipe … ( )

Hi all. I have another amazing and
interesting game to show you from the “your next move” blitz so played in
Leuven in Belgium very recently first of July 2017 Magnus Carlsen
playing against Wesley So we see d4 d5 and already the game for me is
interesting Magnus continues this trend of playing Bishop f4 you might wonder if
he wants a London system why doesn’t he just play Knight f3 don’t most normal
play people that in Livebook he’s confounding Livebook because Knight f3
does it have a downside and technically from the evidence this game I believe
this game shows it does have a downside compared to Bishop f4 it’s less flexible
it’s actually interrupted the d1 to h5 diagonal to play Knight f3 this way of
getting into London system may in the future or even now be regarded as an
early version of the London system move order so let me show you some evidence
why with with the evidence of this game why would this be a downside
interrupting that diagonal? Well let’s see. With Bishop f4 that Bishop is often
a target later for black and sometimes black might even want to use some pawns
to kick the bishop the bishop is on a dark square so if black later kicks the
bishop black is weakening light squares just bear that in mind
so sometimes we want to keep control of light squares as a result of the bishop
being kicked c5 and we have London system without the Knight f3 emerging
not yet Nf3 this diagonals being kept free so we have Nc6 c3
Qb6 so yeah it’s a London system without Nf3 Qb3
black shouldn’t really doesn’t really tend to take care because of the dynamic
dynamic play white gets on the a file they play f6 white plays Nd2 again
delaying Knight f3 this diagonals being kept clear
basically c4 this is this looks very very typical on the system moves Queen
c2 Nh5 now that is hitting the bishop it’s actually on a light square and
guess what? Because we’ve kept this diagonal clear we can kick this night
with Bishop e2 of tempo if the knight was on f3 we wouldn’t be able to. Why is
that important isn’t it’s just trivia what I’m saying
here is just pure trivia h6 weakening light squares Bishop h4 g5 weakening
more light squares but here’s the kicker what doesn’t have to play Bishop g3 here
– he hasn’t played Nf3 – the facility which has been maintained from the start
is this diagonal so guess what Magnus Carlsen plays in this position with a
slight advantage technically if I give you five seconds bishop e2 – yes we
haven’t played Nf3 we can play Bishop e2 the Knights crawling back instead of
taking on g4 it’s crawling back into a fianchetto position yes it does support
Bishop f5 but this Bishop is now the painful London system Bishop has not
been swapped off with Nh5 takes g3 in many variations of the London system of
Knight f3 this bishops is a gonner basically here it’s on the board it’s
hitting that hard that diagonal blacks committed to this pawn structure so the
thematic thing to do is blow the pawn structure of e4 or later b3 – for
the moment yes Black has got a temporary grip grip on e4 it seems and kicks
queen with tempo but White has got his ideal bishops they’re ready for action
after e6 now Ngf3 this Knights over there this Bishop is safely
installed on g3 basically Queen a5 and now we can hit the pawn center
hard especially after this move Queen a5 this might not have been the greatest
move it walks straight into e4 white wants to play this thematic move anyway
so it has kind of made this thematic move even stronger let’s have a quick look
what should have black played in this position it just seems of it anti
thematic – maybe black should have actually tried does this work
there’s Bishop e5 so this Bishop might actually be going off the board but even
here now in this position that’s Nh4 so it’s not a clear-cut case of of going
for Bishop g3 still – this is a slight advantage for white. If Ng7 we
take on f6 – no not take on f6 – that hangs the knight – take on f5 first because that’s better for white okay so yeah
maybe a move like Bishop e7 but this move looks like anti thematic it’s like
saying okay I do automatic moves I’m just going to make them even more
effective so e4 – totally thematic move try and blow black’s pawn Center
Bishop h7 yes it seems as though black’s done sensible things in a way but in a
way he hasn’t structurally this is prone to damage after exd5 the exploitable base of the pawn chain is being brought forward so any Bishop f3 later it’s going
to be hard hitting for black on d5 it seems as though blacks got active pieces – everything by the book of some sort it seems but White has basically got a very
very good version of the London system with this fantastic Bishop and the
ability to just mine this pawn Center at leisure white castles we have rook e1
black castles now a fascinating move as well actually
Ne5 basically vacating f3 for the bishop so White wants to hit this pawn
chain hard at d5 Knight takes Bishop takes f6 weakening even some more like
squares bishop g3 but White is ready for taking on d5 and Bishop f3 now
pretty soon h4 b5 before b4 happens which could
be advantageous for black to do we have b4 from white and there’s
another point of the pawn chain it’s not just d5 but b5 that’s hit. If black goes
passive then Bishop f3 is very nice when it’s just getting his dream position but
black plays a5 though here a5 a takes a takes rook takes and now e takes we’re
finally going to get in this Bishop f3 with immediate venom of knight takes c4
it seems this this looks like an immediate threat now in a position Nxc4
– the Queen really hasn’t been helping this thematic with the thematic ideas Knight takes c4 is the key threat here
Queen d8 so the Queen is struggling to hold on to
d5 basically this is the outcome these bishops are raking bishops b6 trying to
distract the Queen away to blow this pawn chain to smithereens if Queen takes
b6 then Bishop takes d5 and that drops he takes and this is exactly what
happens now because there is a threat because of this wonderful Bishop
maintains through the move order then it wasn’t taken off there was now the threat of b7 and b8 queening so that has to be addressed so black is now a pawn down
with a miserable position his center gone vanished Ne3 we have Rd8 Queen c7 now threatening Nxc4 and Qxe7 – Black is on the
defensive that Bishop is maintained even at this point in the game and goes
back to h2 now that knight is not having this bishop even though the king is like
has less air White would rather have this position keeping that bishop along that beautiful
diagonal now we have the move Knight f4 for blunting the bishop and the cost of
pawn structure though if the rook did persisting going back say to d8 Bishop f3
this is just hitting there and then say Nd5 White is much much better here in
fact look looks for bad for many things so yeah White has got all the positional
trump cards after Nf4 the structure is totally wrecked after
takes knight c4 threatening Bishop e6 skewering Queen f5 pinning so Bishop e6
ruled out or is it ? The Knights holding a five let’s have a quick look here Queen
a7 was played I think just taking gets out of it anyway this is just actually
this is just not good Bishop b4 blacks equalized here so we have Queen
a7 keeping the pressure and in fact that Bishop can’t
well because pressure along the whole seventh rank care if the bishop did
move to b4 – I believe there’s something nasty here with the bishop on
h7 in the form of Bishop b4 but let’s just check this this position the Bishop
b4 was Queen f7 even nastier – yeah so there’s various points of attack these
three points of attack along the seventh so we have Queen takes d5 was played
Queen takes e7 check but now Nb6 forking queen and rook and that’s it so if there’s one secret of this game
hidden secret nuance which maybe not be appreciated by all the London system
players worldwide from this game example is the question that you might never
have asked – is have you been playing Knight f3 to achieve London system set up too
routinely? Did you notice that sometimes this diagonal is useful to keep clear
because you don’t want a pesky knight taking off your dark square Bishop. You want that dark squared Bishop to be a total pain throughout most of the game so from
the outset to be able to maintain the painful Bishop this move order with
Bishop f4 delaying Knight f3 is interesting to consider. Comments
questions likes appreciated and especially from London system players if
what I’ve said makes any sense or rings true let me know. Thanks very much. And remember to check out 🙂

100 thoughts on “Magnus Carlsen’s top secret London System move order recipe … ( )

  1. It's worth being concrete about the reason that Johnsen & Kovacevic give for playing 2.Bf4 rather than 2.Nf3. After 2.Nf3, c5, then 3.c3 "is more or less forced to be able to meet …Qb6, whereas after 1.d4 d5 2. Bf4 c5 3.e3 Qb6 White can try the aggressive 4.Nc3 when 4…e6 5.Bxb8 Rxb8 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.Bxd7+ Kxd7 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.Qd2 Qxb2 10.Rb1 Qa3 11.Rb3 Qa6 12.Nge2 Nf6 13.0-0 leads to a position where the authors feel White has more than enough compensation for the pawn." I'm quoting here from John Donaldson's review of this book. So it's a very concrete motivation for playing 2.Bf4. That doesn't at all take away from your excellent point about the tactics along the d1-h5 diagonal.

  2. This is the GingerGM way. I bought his DayVajDaj, so I learned this from him. Good to know Magnus Carlsen agrees with my move order 🙂

  3. I enjoyed your demonstration and explanation of the London system. It opened a couple of aspects that I did not see before. Thanks. TD

  4. Played London my whole life and discovered this nuance the hard way in a game vs Van Wely in the early 90s. It's not like Black doesn't have a number of good ways to combat 2.Bf4, but this indeed undercuts the line with 5…Qb6 6.Qb3 c4 7.Qc2 Bf5! and White will have to work hard to avoid trouble.

  5. I played nf3 and then play Bf4 because i doubt other move order like 1 d4 d5 2 Bf4 c4 3 e3 cxd4 4 exd4 Qb6???? Now what either u loose d pawn or b pawn even if u move bishop back to c1 its lost of tempo and i dont prefer C3 pawn instead of E3 cause u cant not castling queen side after exchange and it dont fit right

    Even after playing Nf3 i can turn opening into eithr English or queen gambit too depands what black plays

  6. The credit for the resurgence of this opening should really go to Kamsky who used it to get to solid middlegame positions. As far as move order and the bishop if White can get in h3 early enough the bishop can hide out on h2 if attacked by Black's knight.

  7. I've been a London system player for several years now and didn't realize the effectiveness and importance of the black bishop until this video. It is helpful in getting Bob promoted. (Bob is the B pawn) Also the importance of keeping the light diagonal open is crucial and will employ immediately. Thanks!

  8. You need to see Simon Williams videos on this …. this move order is exactly correct per Simon and he gives good reasons for each. Highly recommend.

  9. H.Danielsen and Simon ginger Williams had already demonstrated that Bf4 is better than Nf3 on the 2nd move. Nothing new.

  10. Great video, Thx. Been playing London system for years and always placed my knight on f3. Will try this a while now 🙂 Will probably get beaten in bullet in the beginning 🙂

  11. It can't be said enough. Thank you for the lesson! I appreciate you taking free time off to teach eternal amateurs such as myself.

  12. Definitely agree, Nh5 has always been annoying to me in the London. I always make sure to play h3 before Nf3 to allow the bishop a safe haven on h2, thereby effectively preventing Nh5
    There are probably more effective ways of doing this, but at least h3 is reliable and can always be played.

  13. I love the London System, but I usually open the h file after the bishop is taken on g3. Then I can usually castle queenside and attack on the kingside.

  14. I was always under the impression that Nc3 is done first if you might want to do another opening. I guess there's not much surprise value in doing Bf4 one move later. It obviously is advantageous to leave that square open for the bishop- especially since being stuck behind the pawn chain kind of sucks.

  15. I have a quick question (altough I am just an amateur learning chess): at 5:41 why isn't e4 taken by d5? Is it just for the sake of the pawn chain?

  16. 2.Bf4 is also, incidently, quite effective against players intending to play the Chigorin Defense, since White can sidestep the normal line 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bf4 Bg4 by instead playing 2.Bf4 Nc6 3.e3!, when the advantage of keeping open the d1-h5 diagonal is again seen, as Black can't play the thematic …Bg4 and doesn't really have any terribly useful waiting moves, either.

  17. Replayable game link:
    Join me or other Youtubers for a game: – Cheers, K

  18. Just start to switch over from the Torre to the London and really like this move order. I will be trying it out at my chess club. I am rated 1732.

  19. I have been playing the London System for years and I think you're on to something with bishop coming out first. I have preferred opening like this personally just because I thought it looked nicer. But usually this means I have to play pawn h3 to prevent the knight from coming to kick my dark square bishop, having the light square bishop guard that square is I will admit something I never even considered before. Thank you!

  20. Honestly I thought 1. d4 … 2. bf4 was pretty much just how the london was played.

  21. Another nuance to 1d4 d5 2.Bf4 is that 2…c5 can be answered with 3.e4!? With an improved Albin counter gambit!!?

  22. Thanks kingscrusher! It is interesting that a move so natural as Nf3 could have any drawbacks. I saw another video on Magnus's London system where somehow waiting until Black played e6 made the Bf4 move stronger. The devil is in the details it seems!

  23. Makes perfect sense and very subtle. Picked up early Nd2 from Ginger GM Simon Williams in his DVD but this example is Prime!

  24. I've always played 2. Bf4. I have followed that move with move 3 or 4: Nf3. Now that I see the benefit of having the light square diagonal open in the early stages of the game. It's even better to keep the bishop pair, as the DSB is the first bishop to be exchanged or taken. I think the difference of 2 Bf4 or Nf3 gives the London more of an aggressive opening motif; normally the London is a passive wing attack motif. King castles kingside without the appropriate protection, the king pawns are usually taken with a major sacrifice opening up his defense and leading to some creative mates.

  25. As a London player myself, I always go 2. Bf4. I don't want my g1 knight to get pinned by black's bishop. I want that knight to be ready to go to e5. In fact, my g1 knight might be my last minor piece to develop. I just find it easier to get full development with that move order.

  26. Nice game. Nothing new about 2.Bf4. I've seen it referred to as the Mason Attack after the Victorian player James Mason.

  27. …2…..c5 is now the main move.Gingergm suggests now 3.d5 or have black taken the b2 pion by the Queen and play a interesting gambit line.

  28. I Know the opening london system but its not this!
    and while white queen comes on b3 the black bishop can come on f5 to kill our queen its so taking your pawn to c3 after black's pawn c5 is wrong instead we should we can take our knight to d2 after balck's move of c5

  29. Makes sense. But you can still use those diagonals after playing Nf3. Also, there is a nice tactic and a mating trap in that. You need to instead delay playing e3 and wait until black plays Nf6 and then pull the bishop straight up to Bg5 pinning the knight. Now if black tries to send the bishop back, you can retreat to bg3 and after when black plays Nh5 white can move the knight opening up a discovered attack from Be2. This works especially great if black has castled kingside already. In this case, white can just take the pawn on g6 threating Qh7 mate. If black is careless you get to win or you end up winning a pawn. weakening black's kingside and keeping the centre intact. This is especially effective if black is playing the king's indian since it destroys the fianchettoed structure that is crucial to the king's indian defense.

  30. The first 3 moves in this game as white allows a lot more options immediately. It's very fast, by move 4 your queen and bishop have very open and vast lines.

  31. This is one of the best videos on chess I’ve ever seen…you’re a natural born teacher thank you for posting!!!

  32. I feel like ive gotten so good at chess i often sacrafice 1 – 3 main pieces depending on my opponets opening moves just to give them a fighting chance -_-

  33. Even ancient chess engines wanted to play the London system but the devs facepalmed and modded the engines so they wouldn't play it.

  34. I think this guy is rated below 900 nf3 has more venom and potential on the london game if it played we'll

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