Bobby Fischer’s Secret Online Match vs Nigel Short in 2000

Bobby Fischer’s Secret Online Match vs Nigel Short in 2000

100 thoughts on “Bobby Fischer’s Secret Online Match vs Nigel Short in 2000

  1. This is a perfect example of Fischer’s genius if it was in fact him. I like to think he was improvising, using his creative ability at peak performance.

  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkkxnpl8Siw 40:00 around that time he states that this is nonsense and it isn't him.

  3. Well let's approach this rationally. Who could it have been? The list of people who could just about beat Short 8-0 at speed chess at that time should not be long. We could ask the players. Though no one has owned up. There is the possibility of computers also.

    I guess people have analysed what computers would have done. It's hard to analyse what Fischer's style would have been. I'd imagine he'd like internet chess – fewer social & other distractions.

    It would probably take a team of Grandmasters to analyse the moves and see who they looked like. Has this been done?

  4. Which engines would have been good enough to beat Nigel short in 2007 in a blitz game ? and what PC (computing power) would they have needed. Im curious

  5. In around 2002-2003 I used to frequent ICC often…one day I was approached by a 'guest' who told me to tell Nigel Short (his actual handle was NDShort) that the 'meeting at the hotel' was still on…I then followed this guest who told me he was Fischer and it was my job to check out his opponents ratings and stuff and report it to him…I guess I was naive and did what he told me…after contacting Nigel about this player Nigel told me to send the games he had played to a chessbase email account…I then meticulously saved one by one each game this 'guest' had played and duly sent them to the chessbase email…it was years later I saw these games analyzed in a chessbase article I recognized them but nowhere was I credited with sending them in, ok no big deal. While talking to 'Fischer' he explained he moved so fast because he used a touchscreen interface…I can't believe I was so foolish as to believe this person was Fischer it was clearly Fritz the go to engine of the time…I even emailed my brother and told him I had met Fischer…'Fischer' contacted me once again with the opening line 'Hello son..' but I just told him I have been a complete fool and to leave me alone his reply was 'ok' and I never heard from him again

  6. Really fascinating, I'm not fully certain it's Fischer but the mystery player plays like someone tired of the formalities of openings and middle games and seeking to cut to the chase and solve the end game puzzles.

  7. It does rather suggest a dopey stupid rule of thumb: when Bobby Fisher offers you his Queen it's a good idea not to take it maybe?

  8. It could of been Fischer. Unorthodox yet creative.

    I remember around this time period, I cheated on ICC. Yes, its a dirty move, but I like sharing this story…

    I was using an electronic chess computer on a high setting, coordinating the matches on the tabletop to the computer. And this chess computer was brutal. It tormented people – until I played somebody who beat it. Couldn't believe it. The player was very cordial in communication, which was unlike others I played online. It was just really unusual to me.

    To this day I wonder who the hell it was. I'm NOT trying to suggest it was Fischer but I figured if it wasn't another person doing the same thing (cheating!), then it might have been a known player. They complimented me on my "ability" from what I can recall…oh man.

    I still have that chess set because of that. And yes it still rips me up in play. I pitted it against the "Chessmaster 9000" computer game years ago (which boasted an authentic 2600 rating, take that for what its worth) and it went down to a pawn. So that little computer was no pushover.

  9. 150% him. The reply of "1970" is simple, quick, and a typical Fischer answer. 1000% him or my mom's a whore.

  10. It’s truly tragic that Bobby Fischer was mentally ill. If only he had gotten treatment. But it didn’t happen.

  11. The paradox about Fischer is this: his mental illness both made him a chess prodigy AND destroyed him.
    First thing is: his obsession with chess early was in fact. An obsession which is a symptom of mental illness.
    So Fischer became a chess champion and destroyed his life because he was in fact. Mentally ill.
    MD, psychiatrist.

  12. Love this game. I can't imagine who else it could've been. I don't think anyone but Fischer could open like that and win against such a strong player.

  13. What a strange idea that in 2000's engines was weak at blitz ?? Engines were always more powerful playing blitz, and if Kasparov lose to DeepBlue in 1997 playing classic time control, than anyone will lose to almost any strong engine for instance Fritz 6 running on conventional (not super) hardware playing blitz.
    Of course I don't know if it was Bobby or not, my objection is only about this strange 'anti-2000-engine'-bias.

  14. Nigel Short is a notorious liar. I'm not talking about the storyteller type of liar like Yasser Seirawan, just a flat-out liar. Fischer would NEVER play this crap, even in a blitz game. Short was fooled by a chess engine.

  15. 'advanced chess' cheaters abound. I think there's a significant chance that this is a troll toggling between his human moves and computer moves when the computer finds major tactical opportunities. That's my first guess, but I do hope that it's actually Fischer.

  16. It was me. Had no idea it was Nigel. Small world. I played a Spanish guy in 1970, couldn’t remember his name actually.

  17. Well, maybe it was somebody with an engine?! Why is it so hard to believe?
    And to beat a strong GM like Nigel Short is probably easier without theory lines… what do you think=?

  18. It's a human making a few silly moves, then turning over the play to a computer. Everything after the first three moves is what a computer would play.

  19. The idea of Bobby Fischer playing 1.f4, 2.Kf2, and 3.Kf3 is utterly absurd: there is no way that this game could be genuine.

  20. Nigel Short has already admitted he was hoaxed years ago. He genuinely thought at the time it was Fischer but it was just pranksters who played the opening moves then switched to the engine. From memory a program called "Blitz Tiger" was found to match "Fischer's" moves.

  21. One theory suggests that the game is actually played by an engine provided with database and that's how it replied for Short's question.. However there only 2 logical solutions to this mystery.. Either the above or if the game was played by any human being it could only be Bobby

  22. Would love to see the other games with the non-standard openings – curious what other non-standard openings were used

  23. Of course Fischer in his prime was a better player than Carlsen!…he can play against the top 10 players now at the same time and beat of all them

  24. Wait a moment.
    I'm seeing all that people so certain that was a computer play. But how likely it is that some person or team put that many effort, with great programming and a top computer, just to get no credits when at the time, each game format dominated by a computer was such a big news, even something worth rewarding when beating such a strong GM?
    And most of all, go beyond all that trouble, plus search deep into bobby fisher history – because it seems he/they were a big fan- just to mimic somewhat the way he would play and even imply in the chat that it is him playing?
    Shiit.
    That seems to be such as likely as being Bobby Fisher himself playing.

  25. On top of all the dumb things gullible people believe about the guest71 hoax, why is there a pervasive myth that engines weren't strong enough to crush a super GM in blitz in 2000?

    You really have to connect ignorance across a lot of domains to buy into this nonsense. Computer advances, chess theory, Fischer's actual record in public games in the 1990s and his actual intellect on display in interviews at that time…

  26. It was Fisher 101 percent. Only Fisher opens game like this and no one else on planet Earth ever did this opening . I saw 4 or 5 games where Fisher opens up just like in this game.

  27. Whoever this guy is if magnus Carlsen was playing against him no doubt magnus would have defeated him

  28. 8:55 Am I stupid or can he block with the knight? I mean its checkmate anyway after the rook takes it but still…

  29. Agadmator, can you please post more of these "secret" matches?? Could be interesting. Also, have you posted any of the 1992 Fischer-Spassky matches??

  30. I can't believe Fischer wouldn't enjoy playing anonymously online, so this is very easy to believe.

    Long live the king!

  31. I got another one: 1. f5 check!, king-g5 (king wont go to h6. That would be mate in three unless of course he throws away the horsie before he is mate.. that would be mate in four!)
    2. Rook-h1! .. threatening with mate on h5! And from there black is toast! Sure he can postpone the mate by throwing away the queen or the horsie.. but basicly from there on the game is lost for black: the mate is coming in just 2-3 moves..
    This sure looks like a bobby fischer game.. the guy was a genius.. (RIP!!!) He was the guy that added all the colour in the rainbow to the black and white checkerboard!!!
    Rest In Peace (RIP!) ..

  32. kasparov,bobby or magnus wen he was 8 years old
    nobody oder can't becaus the way this guy play it can only be one of this thre players and all of them was in 2000 alife
    bobby was wery old
    kasparov in midle age
    and magnus very young

  33. I was lucky enough to witness these and other games. It was most definitely Fischer. The moves followed and built on his theory of chess, and Short wasn't the only world class GM to get a spanking

  34. I want to believe it was, when he played in the candidates tournament he beat every single player every game if I'm not mistaken so the reputation precedes, but still it's all circumstantial no hard evidence its him

  35. So if Fisher hates chess, why not take up all the variants, such as crazy house, random piece placement, hoard, etc. Seems like the best possible way to play chess and avoid memorized theory.

  36. Bobby Fischer is the "rain man" of chess; so much of his brain is devoted to it that he comes off as a nut doing anything else (i.e., classic idiot-savant). From his perspective, he's playing children when he's playing grandmasters, and the only way to make the game interesting is to make some ridiculous opening that's like the equivalent of Paul Morphy giving a rook odds.

  37. 👋🏻🎱👄🎱🤚🏻 efren reyes played chess to prepare for pool tournaments in the later years of his 'official' career 🙂

  38. The playing style is Fisher. He lures you into his garden by making wild, unpredictable moves. He offers up his queen for two rooms. Then he snares you in a five move mating net. It was as if his opponent was not even playing, defending, or even there. Given the time, date, and style of play, I have little doubt it was Fisher, one of the greatest chess masters of all time. I heaven, I just hope Fisher gets to play Paul Morphy, Capablanca, and Emanuel Lasker, my other chess favorites.

  39. Can you grab the IP address and the history of all games played from that address? If he was on dial-up, you can grab whatever address that closely resembled? The IP address would show where he was playing from unless he was using a VPN….but I doubt he would have been doing that in 2000. Post all games from that address.

  40. Beautiful game! Truly a pleasure to watch. But it is not mate at the position you mention after rook to h1, knight can still block the rook at h2

  41. No one chess player who break whats Bobby contibute in a world of chess he is a true and the one in olny crazy legend, 11-0 score perfect score in his prime world tournament

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