7 Reasons Ben Shapiro Is So Dominant In Debates

7 Reasons Ben Shapiro Is So Dominant In Debates

Ben shapiro is one of the most famous and skilled political debaters out there and even if you’re not into politics his arguments are fun to watch. In this video I want to explore why Ben is so talented in debates. Specifically, I’m gonna give you seven techniques that you can use no matter what side of an argument you represent, even if you’re on the wrong side Three caveats before we begin: First, I am NOT saying that Ben is right or wrong on any of these points. What I’m gonna discuss are some of the rhetorical devices he employs that can be persuasive even if they aren’t always logically foolproof. No matter where you fall in these issues, there’s a lot to be learned from Ben’s style of debate. Second, you probably don’t want to focus on debating in your interpersonal relationships because the goal of debate is quite different than the goal of most relationships. -or you’re debating somebody on a stage in which case your goal is basically to humiliate that person as badly as possible. And third, Ben obviously does quite a bit of research which is really tough to combat without figures of your own. -If you’re, if you’re richer you tend to be married longer on average people who are poor tend to get divorce Where did you get that, um, statistic? -Census Bureau Now, research is necessary but I’m more interested in the tactical side of the debate rather than the prep so I won’t go any further into it. Let’s begin then with Ben’s defensive debate tactics starting with catching non- arguments and that’s because not everything that sounds persuasive actually constitutes a valid argument. For instance, when you hear that nine out of ten fill-in-the-blanks believe something that doesn’t necessarily prove a point. That is an argument from authority and, though it might be compelling, more evidence is required to be deemed conclusive. So when people lean on authority in arguments, Ben knows to call them out on it, like in this example: We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons. That was Ronald Reagan. -Okay, so now I can disagree with Ronald Reagan. You keep front of the great right-wing presidents of modern times agreed with me -So? Another common debate tactic that maybe isn’t done on purpose and doesn’t constitute a valid argument is getting emotional, particularly when the other person gets upset or offended. Now when Piers Morgan did that, Ben wisely didn’t engage him because simply being offended doesn’t prove anything. How dare you accuse me of standing on the graves of the children that died there, how dare you. -I’ve seen you do it repeatedly, Piers. Like I say, how dare you -Well, I mean, you can keep saying that but you’ve done it repeatedly. What you do, and I’ve seen you do it on the program. The late Christopher Hitchens put this same idea rather bluntly: If someone tells me that I’ve hurt their feelings, I say: well, I’m still waiting to hear what your point is. Now you don’t necessarily need to be that abrupt, but pointing out that a point needs something beyond simple emotion in order to make it valid can make other debaters flustered and from there you can segue into the third defensive tactic that we are covering in this video, which is pushing for specifics. People often hold very broad opinions, very strongly, without necessarily being able to articulate what they mean concretely, and of course this happens on all sides of the political spectrum. So when Ben is grappling with a very broad, spanning charge, he takes the necessary first step of pushing that other person to provide specific examples. -I know what the Republican beliefs are I mean, you’re a young guy, but you certainly remember two years back when their beliefs were completely the opposite of what they are now. -But which ones, which ones? -Free trade. This is absolutely critical do not get wrapped up in defending generalized statements even if you don’t like them, because if any sort of blanket label is asserted against your position or it’s large institutions that are being branded one way or another, if you try to defend against that single phrase you are already buying into an argument You don’t understand and that would be absurd So instead, push the other person to relate exactly what they mean specifically, like in this example: We’ve been talking about. When you say institutional racism, it’s too broad. You at least have to name me the institution. Which one is the racist one? Which institution is racist? Tell me what you –like — so we can fight it– seriously– so we can fight it together Just– I want to be on your side. I do. I want to fight racists. I think race again I think racism is — I think racist — racist behaviour is evil. I want to fight it with you, but I can’t fight it if you’re not if you’re not showing me what it is Similarly and lastly on the defensive side, Ben knows his arguments inside and out so he doesn’t get sucked into defending points that his argument doesn’t require. For instance, in this next clip Ben is talking about how Trump will say outrageous things, knowing that it sets the media ablaze and his point is that Trump knows what he’s doing and he does it on purpose in order to control the news cycle Now when Don Lemon responds saying the Trump shouldn’t be doing that, Ben doesn’t bother defending the morality of his actions. He’s only talking about the purpose of them. -says some things that are outrageous like people in the media aren’t patriotic, knowing that people in the media are immediately going to turn it up to 12 on the Richter scale. But Ben, don’t you think he should be truthful in his comments even if he’s even if he’s funny and if you give them any — shouldn’t he be truthful and he wasn’t. Of course and I think that this is where the media — here’s my advice to people in the media. Now recognizing that you can and should agree at points with the person that you’re debating seems obvious but it can be especially hard to do when people insult you a general rule of thumb is that if the other person winds up attacking you you were actually winning the debate. So Ben usually doesn’t get sucked into defending his own honor and he shows a great example of that here: Paul did a hit piece and in it writer Jane Coaston says you have hollow bravery, calls your campus speeches shadowboxing and if you wanted to be genuinely brave, you’d challenge quote: Some of the wrongheaded ideas held by your right-wing fans How do you respond to that? Number one: I’ve never really attributed bravery to myself I don’t think that it’s brave to walk on a campus and talk to kids, I think it’s brave to be a member of the military. I think it’s brave to be a cop I think it’s great to be a firefighter. I don’t think it’s brave for me to walk with a security team at my side onto a stage. If I thought that I was gonna get shot and murdered, then I probably wouldn’t do it. So I don’t consider myself part of that group anyway Then wisely doesn’t bother defending his own bravery and instead sticks to the points that he knows are strongest to his argument and that takes us to Ben’s Offensive Strategies. One of the big ways that I see him stump his opponents is through the use of snuck premises. Essentially, you introduce the exact point of contention as a given and that’s through the clever use of language. Now, this isn’t to pick on Ben because we all do this from time to time. So first off, see if you can find the snuck premise in this next case: -from planned parenthood. As you may have noticed, I’m mostly against abortion. If you wanna go to Planned Parenthood and get a contraceptive, go for it. I don’t care. I do care when you start killing babies. This is a problem for me. Again, a snug premise introduces a contended point as a given. So what counts as a snug premise shifts with each position of each person involved in a debate now in the context of the abortion debate: pro-choice versus pro-life, what is the snug premise that Ben just said? Here it would be the words: “kill babies”. This entire debate hinges on the personhood of the baby/fetus and using the word baby implies personhood. So with that word, Ben is able to sneak in a premise that most of his opponents would probably disagree with but he does it in a way that they don’t notice, so they are stuck, coming to the same conclusion that he does. Here’s another example, this time in a debate over the morality of socialism communism and other economic models: -income inequality in the United States is also quite high, right? There are people who are Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos and then there’s the the local checker at your grocery store. But if the local checker your grocery store is getting richer then it seems to me they have nothing particularly to complain about in how the economy is operating. They don’t have a right to Jeff Bezos’ money They don’t have a right to Bill Gates’ money any more than Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos has a right to their money. What is the snuck premise in this case? It would be the idea that it is their money. A socialist or a communist might see the money that an owner of the means of production has, aka another rich person, as being stolen, so it wouldn’t be their money in the minds of a socialist or a communist. But when Ben assumes the idea that it is their money, he makes a point that again his opponents might find disagreeable but they won’t really know where to poke the hole, because they adopted his premise as soon as he said it. Now in my experience, most debates are won or lost on snuck premises. In concealing the steps we take to arrive at our conclusions, we can get there without the other person knowing exactly how they disagree with us, but still being stuck. So if you want to win cheaply, without having your ideas challenged, this is an excellent tactic, that is, how you can win a debate even if you’re wrong. But to the degree that you can catch yourself, you’re usually better off avoiding this and it’s usually more insightful and better for the relationship to bolster the opposition side, as we discuss in our video on Jordan Peterson, which I will link to below. Again, not to pick on Ben, just pointing this out as an example. I’m going to leave this for now and move to another effective rhetorical tool that I see from Ben. It’s moving from the abstract to the concrete, and it looks like this: I think that focusing on poverty is a good thing to do. I think focusing on income inequality is not a good thing to do because there’s no correlation between income inequality and relative rates of poverty, right, there’s tremendous income inequality in a lot of places on Planet Earth, in fact in all places on Planet Earth. If you go to Sudan, there’s gonna be a rich warlord there and then there are gonna people living on six dollars a year. This works because the specific example seems to prove the broader point that preceded it, even though a single example cannot prove a rule. It is useful shorthand for persuasion and explanation. I do this all the time with the examples that I give you in these videos- it’s very very common. And when you add an element of humor to the specific piece that you are saying it makes it even more persuasive because people can be so wrapped up in laughing, that they don’t necessarily evaluate if they disagree with the point that you made. -The people who are currently acting in a criminal fashion in the drug war aren’t going to be out acting as model citizens, as a general rule. A lot of those people are going to be committing other crimes because this has been the history of the United States: when you make a substance illegal, the people who are criminals were criminals before and they’re criminals after. Al Capone was not going to turn into a banker after prohibition ended. And the final piece for this video, at least, is that you want to emphasize the conditions under which you would agree with your opponent. What evidence would you need? Now we previously saw Ben do this with regards to institutional racism in a previous clip: -racist behavior is evil. I want to fight it with you But I can’t fight it if you’re not if you’re not showing me what it is. Here he is talking about Trump’s impeachment and the Muller investigations: [Applause] Dude, I’m happy to wait for the Muller indictments if they come down and they target Trump. I’m happy to see him impeached but I need to see evidence. Where’s the evidence? just throw it in the trash. And if he throws it in the trash or quashes the Mueller investigation then yes impeachment should be on the table. Thank you Ben. When done in good faith, this is a really admirable way to build consensus and settle a debate, but since I said that this video was gonna have elements of how to win even if you’re wrong, this can also be used as a smokescreen to make your opponent lose sight of a more effective way to win an argument and instead focus on giving you the evidence that you asked for. By the way I am NOT saying that that is what Ben is doing here. I’m just saying that when you outline the conditions of what it would take for you to reverse your position, it can work as a diversionary tactic. So, there you have it, seven reasons that Ben Shapiro is so difficult to best in the debate and seven ways that you can win even if you’re wrong.

100 thoughts on “7 Reasons Ben Shapiro Is So Dominant In Debates

  1. Skilled? Haha. More like loud.

    Soon as someone talks thru his diatribe of bs he folds. Like the bbc interview where he buckled and ran.

  2. He didn't do so well against Andrew Neil though: – he looked like a petulant child, ranting about BBC leftism (Andrew Neil has been very vicious with lefties too).

  3. Yeh but when he came up against Android Neil recently he got torn a new one and walked out like a fecking child

  4. He also talks very fast with a very fast mind and articulates so fast it's hard to check him. Sometimes, listening to his podcast, I have to shut down.

  5. Ben Shapiro is dominant in debates because he thoroughly studies the subject matter and is intellectually honest. He is not "tricking" people.

  6. People trying to act like that walk out interview actually changed anyone’s mind about Shapiro. His fans say it’s because he made a mistake. His detractors say it’s because he’s just a wuss and a bad person

  7. Haha this guy got his arsehole ripped wide open off Andrew Neil. I’ve never seen anyone in the U.K. call the right wing Neil a lefty. He utterly gaped this Jewish fuckwit apart.

  8. Easy way to stump people in debates use truth you can't argue with truth if you argue against truth well you lost any debate

  9. Does he actually “win” debates, or wear people down to hate even wanting to listen to him? He comes on I turn the tv off.

  10. Ben Shapiro has done nothing but turn into a sell-out like he was saying everybody else was well now he went and did the same thing sell out

  11. "Arguments aren't necessarily right or wrong."- KEY disclaimer.
    People buy too much into persuasion and charisma. If they can buy into Trump, they can SURELY gush over a more cunning, sophisticated Shapiro.

  12. ironic the best augments come from gods chosen people but gets yeshua dead and ben dont like trump either, careful ben , be very careful

  13. That guy gave up too easily. There are many sources that say the opposite, that rich people divorce more than poor people. Which census? Which year? The recent one?

  14. He talks really fast to confuse people and acts smug to make them angry, which leaves them unfocused.

  15. First timer Ben Shapiro mercilessly pounded by Andrew Neils B.B.C.
    Painful, virgin, surprise, tears, can't take it all,

  16. it’s easy. talk fast, lie when necessary, and always debate college students.

    when in doubt, throw a hissy fit then bail out.

  17. Snuck premises are a powerful tool in the hands of a righteous person, and a terrible tool in the hands of a wicked person. Gee, sort of like guns…

    The tactic is not the problem. The truth of the premise is all that matters. For example, abortion is the act of killing a baby. In a triage situation, choosing the mother for legitimate medical reasons means that the killing of the baby was not murder. Whichever the case, a living soul dies in every abortion.

    And, since money is just congealed life (your time and efforts are squished into a form easy to carry), the socialists are absolutely wrong. My money is, in fact, my money. Anyone taking it from me is a thief and a murderer. It is really that simple.

    I employ snuck premises as often as possible on a daily bases.

  18. Way to float the leftist comments to the top YouTube, 140k likes and only 10k dislikes but the majority of the top comments are negative about Ben Shapiro? But YouTube doesn’t manipulate comments though do they, not!

  19. Ben shapiro is so good people think the bbc interview is a loss. Based on what? The fact that he assumed a guy who was asking him questions insulting conservatives values had a liberal bias. Yes he mischaracterized one random dude, people mischaracterize people all of the time and no one cares

  20. If he is so good why not run against Donald Trump lol wait it’s because many don’t care about him and he’d lose massively to anyone! He’s a sad disgusting person no one wants.

  21. 5:05: If the other person ends up attacking you (verbally) then you are winning the debate. Generally.

  22. What Ben Shapiro does is literally demonstrate why debates are entirely useless. He argues against the most closely related talking point of an opposition group to whatever was argued rather than against the argument that was actually made. For this reason, he gets to dip into a premade list of canned responses. He engages in strawman and red herring fallacies constantly and fast-talks his way through verbose Gish Gallops that can never be effectively countered in the time allowed. The person then has no choice but to either let some of it go unanswered or waste all of their time answering the nonsense. That's the benefit of speaking fast. Shapiro is not even that good at arguing. In a properly moderated debate where he would be held to account for his words by a neutral moderator, he would end up DESTROYing himself.

  23. I loved watching Andrew Neil destroy Ben. Ben was so beaten he left the studio in the middle of the interview. Quite funny actually.

  24. I'd love to see Shapiro debate people like Noam Chomsky or Cornel West instead of uninformed college students

  25. This man wins every debate according yo Trump supporters lol
    He is right in a lot of points but….he better tight a cinder block around his neck and take a scuba diving wherever there's water.
    Read the Bible

  26. In my view, Ben is smart without being arrogant. if he wld only slow down his speech he wld be even more effective. That is why folks like OAC is scared of him.

  27. One reason. he is a mossad agent. There is someone with knife behind the back of his guests. bankrup the business of guests , fired from job.. honeypot…mossad has many methods.

  28. I don’t find Shapiro intelligent or right. Morally he’s highly lacking, which makes his views weak.

  29. I would also say that Ben Shapiro is a good honest man who is pro America, pro life and pro Second Amendment. So from my side he is usually the winner.

  30. This is ironic that you stick the "kill babies" as the snuck premise, because it also offers the debate opponent to address the core of the debate itself: Whether or not a human baby is a human.

  31. Ben Shapiro isn't dominate in a debate hes a failure in the arts of debate, if he was to go to the U.N and make a speech, he would be laughed out of the U.N in mere seconds, spitting out random stuff makes you a fool so yeah thanks.

  32. What are you on about? Shapiro dominate? Have you ever seen his interview with andrew neil😂😂😂😂

  33. Step 1: Create hypathetical fallacy. Step 2: Remind the opposition you are more popular. Step 3: Speak quickly to confuse opposition.

  34. Actually he got roasted by Andrew Neil and started to cry like a big baby. Not actually that sharp me thinks.

  35. It is clear Ben Shapiro is adept at the art of debate and yes, he does speak far too quickly on a regular basis. That being said I believe the real reason he is so effective as a public speaker is that he comes prepared, practiced, and has true statistics to back up what he says! He does not, for the most part, allow his emotions to get the better of him as does happen with his opponents. This leaves the opponent looking childish and Ben looking decidedly better. This is clearly proven by his common adage of "Facts do not care about your feelings."

  36. I love how everyone is bringing up the BBC debate he lost. You all are actually proving how good Ben actually is. The reason the BBC debate is such a big deal, is because Ben losing an argument is extremely rare.

  37. You talk alot about being deceptive and misleading people misdirecting….and debating for something you know is wrong.
    Ben is effective cause he knows or believes he is right and has information andis well prepared and confident. You openly admit you have no integrity. You are just giving play by play. Garbage

  38. Debating with green college kids makes him look way more accomplished than he deserves, while running away from experienced interviewers has the opposite effect.

  39. Reason 1: he only debates incels and ignorant twats… Watch his interview on the BBC… it wasn't even a debate and he still got owned

  40. Despite this channel promoting good charisma traits, believe me, if you act like shapiro you will end up with no friends.

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